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Katie Burke08 September 2022

Live from INBOUND: Does PR Still Matter? With Katie Burke and Kipp Bodnar

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The myth-busts, hot takes, explainers, and tools worth keeping.

Myth Buster· 2

Myth Buster07:30

Why a Funding Announcement Is a Terrible First Reporter Pitch

Burke challenges the idea that reporters should cover a company merely because it raised money. Effective media relationships begin by helping reporters and creating value, not by requesting favorable coverage with no prior relationship.

  • Give more value than you request
  • Do not make a self-serving announcement your first interaction
  • Respect reporting protocols and editorial independence
  • Build the relationship before seeking coverage

the key to building great media relationships is much like the fundamental premise of inbound, which is that you have to help people and give…

Katie Burke · 07:30

And if that's your first interaction with a reporter, you're doing it completely wrong.

Katie Burke · 08:00
#media relations#reporter outreach#earned media
Myth Buster40:00

Negative Coverage Can Make a Company More Resilient

Burke argues that criticism is not automatically harmful and can expose blind spots created by internal confidence. Companies should listen to uncomfortable third-party perceptions, distinguish factual errors from unflattering opinions, and request corrections only when reporting is genuinely inaccurate.

  • Treat criticism as a potential source of organizational learning
  • Avoid insulating leadership from external perception
  • Separate disliked opinions from factual inaccuracies
  • Request corrections for errors, not imperfect praise

I think people saying not perfect things about you is really good for your business and for your organization.

Katie Burke · 40:00

what don't you like versus what isn't true? Those are two different things.

Katie Burke · 41:30
#negative press#reputation#feedback#crisis communications

Hot Take· 2

Hot Take04:30

Why the One Big Media Hit No Longer Defines PR Success

Declining trust and a fragmented media landscape have weakened the impact of landing one prestigious article. Burke argues that this does not eliminate PR, but shifts its value toward a wider collection of niche and regional publications.

  • Trust has declined across both media and corporate channels
  • One major publication can no longer carry an entire strategy
  • Niche publications gain importance as media decentralizes

I think those days are gone.

Katie Burke · 06:30

But I think if anything, it makes some of the niche publications even more important.

Katie Burke · 06:30
#media trust#niche media#pr strategy
Hot Take36:00

A Strong Brand Must Be Willing to Keep Some People Out

Using HubSpot's culture code as an example, Burke explains that generic values appeal to everyone but distinguish no one. Effective brand and culture materials express real convictions, acknowledge aspirations honestly, and make clear who may not fit.

  • Generic values fail to differentiate an organization
  • Convictions may create internal disagreement
  • Brand materials should attract and exclude
  • A target audience of everyone is not a viable strategy

they are as important for who they keep out as who they draw in.

Katie Burke · 37:30

The number one way I will be able to tell with 100% accuracy if your marketing strategy on that one page is gonna fail is…

Katie Burke · 38:30
#brand strategy#culture#differentiation#target audience

Explainer· 1

Explainer03:30

What Public Relations Means in a Decentralized Media Market

Katie Burke defines PR as building relationships and brand visibility through publications a company does not own. She argues that earned media should complement owned channels rather than operate as an isolated strategy.

  • PR relies on non-owned publications
  • Earned and owned media can reinforce each other
  • Influencer marketing can overlap with public relations

What we're talking about today is media that you as a brand do not own and the importance of engaging with reporters and publications to…

Katie Burke · 03:30

That's how I think about what a PR strategy is non-owned publications, non-branded publications, and the importance for organizations of building relationships and building their…

Katie Burke · 03:30
#public relations#earned media#owned media

Story· 2

Story08:00

How PR Helped Position HubSpot as a SaaS Company Before Its IPO

HubSpot was widely known for its educational content, but many people did not understand that it sold software. Earned coverage helped establish the company as an inbound marketing software provider, supporting customer awareness and the SaaS positioning investors needed before its public offering.

  • Owned content did not ensure product-category awareness
  • Media descriptions clarified what HubSpot sold
  • SaaS positioning mattered to investor valuation
  • PR served perception and categorization rather than direct traffic

we set out to really get a few hits that just said HubSpot, an inbound marketing software company.

Katie Burke · 09:00

having investors understand that we are a software company, that we were building great software was mission critical.

Katie Burke · 09:30
#hubspot#saas#ipo#positioning
Story26:00

How Deep Research Turns a Cold DM Into a Partnership

Burke recounts finding a talented student photographer through a college social post and persuading the Tiger King producer to speak at HubSpot. In both cases, direct outreach worked because she acted decisively and demonstrated specific knowledge of the recipient rather than opening with a promotional request.

  • Reach out directly instead of waiting for a formal introduction
  • Study the person's work before contacting them
  • Lead with a genuine shared interest
  • Accept some awkwardness in exchange for decisive action

One of the biggest things I think people need to get over is the worry about being cool.

Katie Burke · 26:30

I didn't just write to him, hey, here's how you can promote HubSpot.

Katie Burke · 27:30
#outreach#influencers#relationship building#research

Tool· 1

Tool16:00

Simplify Media Training to Three Messages and One Behavior Cue

Media training often fails because teams ask a spokesperson to remember too many talking points while simultaneously correcting numerous habits. Burke recommends narrowing preparation to three essential messages and one recurring behavior that undermines the brand.

  • Limit preparation to three key messages
  • Correct only one unhelpful behavior at a time
  • Avoid attacking competitors or airing grievances
  • Explain why message discipline matters beyond press interviews

your internal communications are your external communications.

Katie Burke · 16:30

your goal in any media training should be three key messages and one cue of a thing that they do often that is unhelpful to…

Katie Burke · 17:00
#media training#message discipline#spokespeople

Takeaway· 5

Takeaway11:00

The Business Cases for PR Beyond Referral Traffic

The speakers agree that PR is poorly suited to immediate direct-response traffic. Burke instead identifies international expansion, reputation management, category creation, and third-party credibility as areas where earned media can accelerate business growth.

  • Do not evaluate PR as a short-term sales channel
  • Use regional coverage to support international expansion
  • Build reputation before a negative story emerges
  • Third-party language can reinforce a new market category

I do not think that PR is the best vehicle for traffic.

Katie Burke · 11:00

If you're growing in new markets, inbound and building a community takes time.

Katie Burke · 11:00
#international growth#reputation#category creation#pr measurement
Takeaway14:00

Set Realistic PR Expectations Before the Big Interview

Burke warns leaders not to promise coverage in a particular publication or expect the company to dominate every story. Early success comes from developing media skills, staying on message, and earning smaller but strategically important placements before facing high-stakes journalists.

  • Never guarantee a specific publication or story
  • Expect the company to support a broader narrative
  • Train spokespeople before high-stakes interviews
  • Celebrate smaller placements that matter to a target market

never promise a publication, ever, ever, ever.

Katie Burke · 14:00

starting building blocks of success are setting reasonable expectations, building that muscle of understanding how to engage with media, and then getting a few critical…

Katie Burke · 15:00
#media training#executive communications#pr expectations
Takeaway23:00

Look Beyond Famous Influencers to Find the Next Breakout Partner

Brands often compete for the same expensive, established creators, producing little differentiation. Burke recommends finding rising influencers with strong audience relevance and exploring adjacent interests that overlap with the target market rather than demanding an exact product-category match.

  • Avoid defaulting to the same famous creators as competitors
  • Scout rising creators before their prices peak
  • Prioritize audience relevance over total follower count
  • Search adjacent categories for less obvious partnerships

you want someone who's like double A, triple A on the on the rise.

Katie Burke · 23:30

Adjacent spaces are really where I think you get the most leverage in this space.

Katie Burke · 24:00
#influencer marketing#creator partnerships#audience fit
Takeaway30:30

A Winning Marketing Strategy Fits on One Page

Burke argues that long activity lists do not explain how a company will win. A focused strategy should emphasize a small number of high-quality bets, while shared message architecture keeps PR, social media, brand, and content aligned around the same customer and positioning.

  • Distinguish planned activities from a competitive strategy
  • Fit the core marketing strategy on one page
  • Do fewer things at a higher standard
  • Align every channel around common messaging and customers

if you replicate everyone else's recipe, you're gonna fall short.

Katie Burke · 30:30

for most companies, your marketing strategies should fit on a single page and they should be all about how you're going to win.

Katie Burke · 31:30
#marketing strategy#focus#message architecture#positioning
Takeaway34:30

Use a Small Decision Team to Avoid Uninspired Compromise

Large messaging reviews invite competing preferences and produce generic corporate language. The speakers recommend having a small group decide the concise description that belongs between commas in an article, then allowing the rest of the messaging system to follow from that choice.

  • Keep the core decision group small
  • Focus on the shortest useful company description
  • Discard documents overwhelmed by excessive reviewers
  • Resolve high-level positioning before debating details

You should be with five people in the room really arguing over whether it's an inbound marketing software company or something similar.

Katie Burke · 35:00

That description that fits between commas in print, that's what you should be fighting about, and then everything else dovetails from there.

Katie Burke · 35:00
#positioning#decision making#brand messaging